Reporting Missions
If we encounter a mission from the user subsmissions that are illegal to fly, there should be a way to report them or flag them. (For example there is a mission in Banff National Park, you must apply for a permit before flying here, and the list of allowable flight conditions is quite brief) This flight shouldn't be listed or should be flagged in some way.
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I can sort of see what you are saying, but I've no idea on where in the world Banff National Park is (I'm guessing usa), but there's nothing stopping me fly the mission you're talking about here in the uk with just a couple of clicks, I mean I've got one to test mlater on hopefully that was originally set up in Australia
Canada, and this particular mission is a flyaround of a hotel perched on a lakefront. Sure you could use the parameters to fly anywhere, but if you were to fly this particular mission, in that place, you'd be breaking the law 99% of the time.
MattN
For all you know they are using that mission to get a view in Google Earth, or using it for training purposes.
As a good example, my most recent tutorials were set flying around the Statue of Liberty, with a take off point on the island. That would be illegal 99% of the time too. I had no intention of flying there, but for planning and training purposes, it was just what I needed.
So reporting a plan makes no sense. If you found hey had actually flown that mission, and you were sure they had not obtained all the necessary permissions, then you could report it. But it is flights that are the issue, not the planning of a flight.
And as the pilot its your responsibility to fly within the law where you are flying, I know I'll play around with missions at famous landmarks just for the heck of it with no intention of flying them, I mean if you were to fly this one https://app.dronelink.com/martin-reading/my-first-project/plan/fFttB0DoSeOm9Db0jQvr/qzm0fe4XQXsYLrBLJTJ7 you would end up in mega trouble,
Missing the forest for the trees. You might know better, but not everyone else does. And putting flights that aren't allowed, into a publicly accessible, searchable system feels wildly irresponsible. Especially considering the flight plan I'm talking about is posted by Dronelink themselves.
To go further in that discussion :
In my country, we have lot of rules and restrictions for safety reasons. Tools have been put in place to recap rules and check compliance to those rules according to the flight locations.
My prefered is this one as easy to use, intuitive, and efficient :
https://flyby.aero/
My question would be : would it be possible to link/interface/make dependances between this kind of application and DL ?
Currently I am doing the "connection" manually ...
Here in the UK I use this site/app https://dronesafetymap.com/?hsCtaTracking=b6fcfc7d-7407-4dc1-a704-87336e60a656%7C553a0e6e-33e7-4a4b-9c3f-7949e384667d#loc=51.4838940,-0.6044027,13 the app actually covers the whole of the world, so here's a screen shot of what it says about Banff National Park
https://support.dronelink.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/9400691004947-Add-Airspace-Map-layer-like-the-FAA-s-Visualize-It-or-B4UFLY-Airspace-map
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but our position is that pilots should exercise their own personal responsibility when they use our software. As several others have stated in this thread, there are plenty of valid and legal uses for these types of plans (training, demonstrations, for copying to other locations - which would obviously need tweaking, etc). Also, in the most extreme case, it is possible for people to work with the proper authorities to fly these types of missions if they really want to, which is something similar we did when attempting to fly at Mt. St. Helens (you have to work with the local tribe).
Jim McAndrew Yup, everyone certainly should exercise their own personal responsibility, all I was asking for was Dronelink to take some ;)
Carry on, clearly everyone here is a professional and there are no irresponsible pilots in the world that don't pay attention to rules or reglations while using your software.
Martin Reading Yes, National Parks in Canada are no-drone zones, you must apply for a permit, and there are quite literally only 4 reasons that you may have in order to fly.
The Superintendent may only issue a Restricted Activity Permit for the use of a drone for the following purposes:
In addition to that, you also must get a film permit, which is another dept., and if you don't get both, you cannot fly. (Also you can't get a permit if it's recreational flight, you must be insured and licensed.) If anyone decides to fly without these in place, the fine is up to $25,000.
Canada also has a handy map as well: https://nrc.canada.ca/en/drone-tool/
Yeah i had a read of their website https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/voyage-travel/regles-rules/drones
If there is something specific you think Dronelink needs add you are welcome to submit feature requests here: https://support.dronelink.com/hc/en-us/community/topics/360001209614-Feature-Requests
Far more dumb pilots out there actually flying drones with multiple violations all the time on YouTube or elsewhere. We can’t police the entire world. I have a lot of plans which I’ll never be able to actually fly but I enjoy setting them up to see what they look like on Google Earth. I Test different functions, altitudes, headings, POI’s to see how they work. I’ve got the Pyramid of Giza, Statue of Liberty, Mount Rushmore, El Capitan, Eiffel Tower and others. Restricted areas some are farther then VLOS and higher then 400’ AGL. Enjoy….
Exactly Mike (Arizona Wyldwest), I mean if I were to fly the one of Windsor Castle that I posted, I'd probably be arrested before the mission could finish and never be seen again, yet I can drive 7 miles from home and legally fly over Chequers, the prime ministers country residence (would I try it.......Mmm......follow mode while walking along the public footpath that runs through the grounds)
Agreed Mike, and I see from your profile that all of your flights over landmarks that you can't fly over must be set to private, good call! (You actually make my point very effectively in that regard.) I'm not saying we shouldn't be able to use this to plan ANYTHING you want, experiment, and play. I'm saying that if it's posted publicly, it should be something that anyone can legally fly, and if not maybe there should be a flag, or a notice that this flight requires "x".
Again, feel free to submit feature requests here: https://support.dronelink.com/hc/en-us/community/topics/360001209614-Feature-Requests
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